P0aa6 ошибка lexus rx400h

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Первая запись в блоге. Так что сильно не пинайте. Данная запись касается всех владельцев гибридных Lexus Rx450h. И тех кто просто хочет расширить свой кругозор. Время от времени к нам попадают автомобили с данными ошибками. Проблемы за частую оказываются достаточно серьёзными. И вытекают одна из другой. Начинается все как правило одинаково. Человек только купил машину или просто ехал. По трассе или в городе. Но по трассе чаще. Решил притопить. Нажал на газ и тут. Выскочили ошибки, загорелась гирлянда. Автомобиль пошёл накатом. Грусть. Тоска. И разочарование. По приезду на сервис. Читаем ошибки. А там как повезёт. Если попали к нормальным ребятам. Которые понимают что к чему. И сталкивались с данной белой-повезло. Если нет. То можно начать покупать все что вам будут говорить от мала до велика. А там на сколько терпения хватит. К нам многие так приезжали и начинали с того что рассказывали что они уже заменили. А проблема все ещё есть. На самом деле это грустно. Потому как теряется абсолютно все доверие к людям осуществляющим ремонт автомобилей. Зачастую называющих себя мастерами по ремонту гибридных автомобилей. А по факту нахватавшиеся верхушек неучи. На фото некоторые примеры неисправностей тянущих за собой данные коды ошибок.

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All hybrid and electric vehicles isolate the high voltage from the  chassis ground. This is done to make the car safer. If the high voltage system was grounded through the chassis, contact with the car’s body and a high voltage component might result in a shock. The voltage used in hybrid and electric vehicles ranges from 144V to ~500V. Voltage above 60V DC or 36V AC can be very dangerous for we humans, so hybrids pack more than enough wallop to do us harm. High voltage insulation from chassis ground is one of the many safety measures incorporated to hybrid and electric vehicles.

The HV ECU or HV Battery ECU continuously monitors the resistance between the high voltage components and ground and will set a trouble code if the insulation resistance decreases below a threshold. A P0AA6 (or P3009 for older cars) is a code indicating a high voltage leak. When they say leak, they’re talking about high voltage coming in contact with chassis ground. You may be wondering why there aren’t sparks, smoke and burning like a downed power line. The reason is that if a high voltage element comes in contact with the chassis there is nowhere for the current to flow since the chassis is not part of the power supply system. It’s often really difficult for folks familiar with 12V chassis grounded systems to imagine a system that is not tied to ground, but that’s the way HV systems are set up.

The system main relay pictured here connects the battery pack to the inverter. It sits at the low point of the batter case and was sitting in a pool of water. Surprisingly it still worked while soaked, but the water created a short to ground.

SMRs (system main relays) in Lexus hybrid battery pack

Water is a good conductor. Well actually, pure water doesn’t conduct, but water as is exists in rain and from the tap conducts pretty well, especially when the voltage level is high. The 2006 and 2007 RX400h has the HV battery located under the seat, which is the low spot in the rear section of the car. If water is spilled or the body has a water leak, the water will pool at the center of the battery. Lexus considered this, and added a drain under the battery, but the drain has a filter, presumably to keep insects out, and the filter is easily clogged. This, coupled with a pattern problem of split body seams near the rear hatch strut mount causing a water leak in the rear of the car, has created isolation faults in many of the RX400h SUVs.

Rubber mat covering hybrid battery pack

2014-12-08-16.09.10.jpg
A retrofit rubber mat routes water away from the battery to help prevent recurrence of isolation faults and a repeat of the P0AA6.

P0AA6 has several information codes. Information or INF codes provides additional information. Some trouble codes have 20 or more INF codes, so the main code is often nearly useless without the INF code. P0AA6 has INF codes 526, 611, 612, 613, 614, and 655.  526 sets with the P0AA6 on the first trip and does not indicate the specific area of the leak. After the car is shut off, the car will not restart, but when the driver attempts to READY the car, a self-test will be performed and a second INF code will set. The second INF code will indicate the area of the leak: 611 = AC compressor, 612 = Battery case, 613 = MG1 or MG2, 614 = inverter or DC cables, and 655 = MGR. Since this story is about a water soaked battery, a P0AA6 526 and P0AA6 612 were found.

The fix is new system main relays (SMRs), which sit at the low point, a new drain, and a genuine Lexus tarp to lay over the top of the battery, and, of course, the water leak needs to be fixed.

2014/12/RX400hDrain.jpg
There is a body drain under the HV battery case, but it is easily clogged with detritus. It’s best not to rely on the drain; fixing the water leak is the smart move.

All hybrid and electric vehicles isolate the high voltage from the  chassis ground. This is done to make the car safer. If the high voltage system was grounded through the chassis, contact with the car’s body and a high voltage component might result in a shock. The voltage used in hybrid and electric vehicles ranges from 144V to ~500V. Voltage above 60V DC or 36V AC can be very dangerous for we humans, so hybrids pack more than enough wallop to do us harm. High voltage insulation from chassis ground is one of the many safety measures incorporated to hybrid and electric vehicles.

The HV ECU or HV Battery ECU continuously monitors the resistance between the high voltage components and ground and will set a trouble code if the insulation resistance decreases below a threshold. A P0AA6 (or P3009 for older cars) is a code indicating a high voltage leak. When they say leak, they’re talking about high voltage coming in contact with chassis ground. You may be wondering why there aren’t sparks, smoke and burning like a downed power line. The reason is that if a high voltage element comes in contact with the chassis there is nowhere for the current to flow since the chassis is not part of the power supply system. It’s often really difficult for folks familiar with 12V chassis grounded systems to imagine a system that is not tied to ground, but that’s the way HV systems are set up.

The system main relay pictured here connects the battery pack to the inverter. It sits at the low point of the batter case and was sitting in a pool of water. Surprisingly it still worked while soaked, but the water created a short to ground.

SMRs (system main relays) in Lexus hybrid battery pack

Water is a good conductor. Well actually, pure water doesn’t conduct, but water as is exists in rain and from the tap conducts pretty well, especially when the voltage level is high. The 2006 and 2007 RX400h has the HV battery located under the seat, which is the low spot in the rear section of the car. If water is spilled or the body has a water leak, the water will pool at the center of the battery. Lexus considered this, and added a drain under the battery, but the drain has a filter, presumably to keep insects out, and the filter is easily clogged. This, coupled with a pattern problem of split body seams near the rear hatch strut mount causing a water leak in the rear of the car, has created isolation faults in many of the RX400h SUVs.

Rubber mat covering hybrid battery pack

2014-12-08-16.09.10.jpg
A retrofit rubber mat routes water away from the battery to help prevent recurrence of isolation faults and a repeat of the P0AA6.

P0AA6 has several information codes. Information or INF codes provides additional information. Some trouble codes have 20 or more INF codes, so the main code is often nearly useless without the INF code. P0AA6 has INF codes 526, 611, 612, 613, 614, and 655.  526 sets with the P0AA6 on the first trip and does not indicate the specific area of the leak. After the car is shut off, the car will not restart, but when the driver attempts to READY the car, a self-test will be performed and a second INF code will set. The second INF code will indicate the area of the leak: 611 = AC compressor, 612 = Battery case, 613 = MG1 or MG2, 614 = inverter or DC cables, and 655 = MGR. Since this story is about a water soaked battery, a P0AA6 526 and P0AA6 612 were found.

The fix is new system main relays (SMRs), which sit at the low point, a new drain, and a genuine Lexus tarp to lay over the top of the battery, and, of course, the water leak needs to be fixed.

2014/12/RX400hDrain.jpg
There is a body drain under the HV battery case, but it is easily clogged with detritus. It’s best not to rely on the drain; fixing the water leak is the smart move.

All hybrid and electric vehicles isolate the high voltage from the  chassis ground. This is done to make the car safer. If the high voltage system was grounded through the chassis, contact with the car’s body and a high voltage component might result in a shock. The voltage used in hybrid and electric vehicles ranges from 144V to ~500V. Voltage above 60V DC or 36V AC can be very dangerous for we humans, so hybrids pack more than enough wallop to do us harm. High voltage insulation from chassis ground is one of the many safety measures incorporated to hybrid and electric vehicles.

The HV ECU or HV Battery ECU continuously monitors the resistance between the high voltage components and ground and will set a trouble code if the insulation resistance decreases below a threshold. A P0AA6 (or P3009 for older cars) is a code indicating a high voltage leak. When they say leak, they’re talking about high voltage coming in contact with chassis ground. You may be wondering why there aren’t sparks, smoke and burning like a downed power line. The reason is that if a high voltage element comes in contact with the chassis there is nowhere for the current to flow since the chassis is not part of the power supply system. It’s often really difficult for folks familiar with 12V chassis grounded systems to imagine a system that is not tied to ground, but that’s the way HV systems are set up.

The system main relay pictured here connects the battery pack to the inverter. It sits at the low point of the batter case and was sitting in a pool of water. Surprisingly it still worked while soaked, but the water created a short to ground.

SMRs (system main relays) in Lexus hybrid battery pack

Water is a good conductor. Well actually, pure water doesn’t conduct, but water as is exists in rain and from the tap conducts pretty well, especially when the voltage level is high. The 2006 and 2007 RX400h has the HV battery located under the seat, which is the low spot in the rear section of the car. If water is spilled or the body has a water leak, the water will pool at the center of the battery. Lexus considered this, and added a drain under the battery, but the drain has a filter, presumably to keep insects out, and the filter is easily clogged. This, coupled with a pattern problem of split body seams near the rear hatch strut mount causing a water leak in the rear of the car, has created isolation faults in many of the RX400h SUVs.

Rubber mat covering hybrid battery pack

2014-12-08-16.09.10.jpg
A retrofit rubber mat routes water away from the battery to help prevent recurrence of isolation faults and a repeat of the P0AA6.

P0AA6 has several information codes. Information or INF codes provides additional information. Some trouble codes have 20 or more INF codes, so the main code is often nearly useless without the INF code. P0AA6 has INF codes 526, 611, 612, 613, 614, and 655.  526 sets with the P0AA6 on the first trip and does not indicate the specific area of the leak. After the car is shut off, the car will not restart, but when the driver attempts to READY the car, a self-test will be performed and a second INF code will set. The second INF code will indicate the area of the leak: 611 = AC compressor, 612 = Battery case, 613 = MG1 or MG2, 614 = inverter or DC cables, and 655 = MGR. Since this story is about a water soaked battery, a P0AA6 526 and P0AA6 612 were found.

The fix is new system main relays (SMRs), which sit at the low point, a new drain, and a genuine Lexus tarp to lay over the top of the battery, and, of course, the water leak needs to be fixed.

2014/12/RX400hDrain.jpg
There is a body drain under the HV battery case, but it is easily clogged with detritus. It’s best not to rely on the drain; fixing the water leak is the smart move.

Доброго времени суток форумчане. Я новичок здесь. Очень нужна помощь. Прочитал здесь все о ошибке p0aa6. Постарался сделать все что советовали. Была произведена подмена ВВБ и инвертора с работающей машины. Прозвонил обмотку генератора и коробки мегаометром.Вроде все нормально. На корпус показывает не меньше 15 Мом. Обмотки не меньше 50 Мом. Возможно я что то нерпавильно понял. Но ошибка не уходит. Вернее она уходит и возвращается. Скинешь ошибку машина заводится. После недолгой поездки загорается и после останова не запускается. ПОМОГИТЕ кто может. ))

Saturn написал:

Возможно я что то нерпавильно понял. Но ошибка не уходит. Вернее она уходит и возвращается.

Однозначно неправильно. Вместо изучения материалов как устранять причину ошибку, устраняется последствие от ее возникновения, удаляется информация с параметрами системы в момент возникновения ошибки.
Saturn написал:

Скинешь ошибку машина заводится.

Не нужно так делать!

Так в том то и дело что я не могу найти причину. Может подскажете где искать?

рх был с такой ошибкой-батарею затопило.
батарею проверял на утечку?

Проверял. Даже переборку делали. И лаже подменяли с рабочей машины. Не могу найти к сожалению. Прозвонку кабелей тоже делал.

Saturn написал:

Проверял. Даже переборку делали. И лаже подменяли с рабочей машины. Не могу найти к сожалению. Прозвонку кабелей тоже делал.

Михалыч вам абсолютно правильно подсказал: чтобы локализовать место утечки — для начала считайте подкод к этой ошибке. Вполне возможно, что утечка может «жить» даже в компрессоре кондиционера.

с уважением, Сергей Николаевич.

ага)) масло не то залили)) в кондёр))

ЧЕМ БОЛЬШЕ Я ЗНАЮ, — ТЕМ СИЛЬНЕЕ Я ПОНИМАЮ, ЧТО Я НИЧЕГО НЕ ЗНАЮ((

dart8888 написал:

ага)) масло не то залили)) в кондёр))

Правильно! Часто вместо OIL ND11 заливают OIL ND8. Этого достаточно, чтобы вывести из строя компрессор и получить утечку тока в высоковольтной системе.

с уважением, Сергей Николаевич.

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